intersubjectivity and the free will / free won't paradox
In this email I summarize some previous work on the species Homo sapiens and suggest future directions of study.
The first work we note is the Ph.D. thesis of Dr. Raber. (Dr. Raber: would you mind posting a copy of your thesis and/or an Amazon link to your book if it's already out?) We posit that this is a tolerably complete description of the maturational process and mating habits of the human mind. (Also, Dr. Raber, if you feel moved to share any extracts from your second book, would love to see those! It would be super relevant to some threads we're having about economics, if I understand the thrust of it correctly. (My gloss: what are the proper uses of luxury in motivating human beings to excellence and public service?))
We posit that it is possible, via affiliation economics and choice architecture and computational linguistics and digital humanities, to assemble a tolerably complete picture of the pressures that any given human being is under at any given point in time. Presumably this fact is known to various governments of the world, and has been since the height of the Cold War.
Furthermore, we posit that human beings do in fact have free will. It feels pretty obvious if you're driving one of the damn things, anyway. But, of course, biological materialism and physical determinism hold sway over the physical and biological universes. How do we reconcile these two facts? Basically, you never know for sure which way someone is going to jump, because you never have a complete copy of the inside of their mind. You can put people in arbitrarily scary and fucked-up and tempting situations, but they'll still surprise you. As Natalie Portman says in V for Vendetta, that last inch of one's will remains free. A person who is willing to die under torture can generally do whatever the fuck they want. (Ofc, dying under torture is a fairly likely outcome if you make the mistake of telling anyone this fact when they threaten you.)
Finally, as glue to make all of this cohere in a way that will make sense to the academic humanities, we offer the novels of David Foster Wallace. I put it to you that they are about free will and mind control. The cryptogram for mind control in Broom of the System is, I believe, the Devil's wooden leg. The cryptogram for mind control in Infinite Jest is annular fusion. (Think about it for a second - imagine watching a television that then floats through the air and smashes you in the back of the head - it traces out an annulus.) The cryptogram for mind control in The Pale King is the Pale King, who is a DFW self-insertion character, as are most of the characters in that book.
As further glue, we offer the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. I put it to you that it is a play about how to kill William Shakespeare with your words in a world where mind reading and mind control are widely distributed among the populace; Hamlet is Willie's self-insertion character, and all the other characters are various figments of Bill's imagination as he worked through the problem of trying to keep himself from dying or going nuts.
Would love to hear any thoughts that this email triggered from anyone who I sent it to!
In regards to dying under torture, might I inflict Roko's Basilisk upon you all?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the...
It's sort of an updated version of Pascal's Wager, where instead of going to hell for pissing off God, you go to hell for pissing off a superintelligent AI.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In this email I summarize some previous work on the species Homo sapiens and suggest future directions of study.
The first work we note is the Ph.D. thesis of Dr. Raber. (Dr. Raber: would you mind posting a copy of your thesis and/or an Amazon link to your book if it's already out?) We posit that this is a tolerably complete description of the maturational process and mating habits of the human mind. (Also, Dr. Raber, if you feel moved to share any extracts from your second book, would love to see those! It would be super relevant to some threads we're having about economics, if I understand the thrust of it correctly. (My gloss: what are the proper uses of luxury in motivating human beings to excellence and public service?))
We posit that it is possible, via affiliation economics and choice architecture and computational linguistics and digital humanities, to assemble a tolerably complete picture of the pressures that any given human being is under at any given point in time. Presumably this fact is known to various governments of the world, and has been since the height of the Cold War.
Furthermore, we posit that human beings do in fact have free will. It feels pretty obvious if you're driving one of the damn things, anyway. But, of course, biological materialism and physical determinism hold sway over the physical and biological universes. How do we reconcile these two facts? Basically, you never know for sure which way someone is going to jump, because you never have a complete copy of the inside of their mind. You can put people in arbitrarily scary and fucked-up and tempting situations, but they'll still surprise you. As Natalie Portman says in V for Vendetta, that last inch of one's will remains free. A person who is willing to die under torture can generally do whatever the fuck they want. (Ofc, dying under torture is a fairly likely outcome if you make the mistake of telling anyone this fact when they threaten you.)
Finally, as glue to make all of this cohere in a way that will make sense to the academic humanities, we offer the novels of David Foster Wallace. I put it to you that they are about free will and mind control. The cryptogram for mind control in Broom of the System is, I believe, the Devil's wooden leg. The cryptogram for mind control in Infinite Jest is annular fusion. (Think about it for a second - imagine watching a television that then floats through the air and smashes you in the back of the head - it traces out an annulus.) The cryptogram for mind control in The Pale King is the Pale King, who is a DFW self-insertion character, as are most of the characters in that book.
As further glue, we offer the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. I put it to you that it is a play about how to kill William Shakespeare with your words in a world where mind reading and mind control are widely distributed among the populace; Hamlet is Willie's self-insertion character, and all the other characters are various figments of Bill's imagination as he worked through the problem of trying to keep himself from dying or going nuts.
Would love to hear any thoughts that this email triggered from anyone who I sent it to!
-- -Eric
Eric, by the way, if you are interested in tales of altered consciousness and media weirdness, I have two book recommendations for you (in order of likely enjoyableness):
1. Victor Pelevin’s “Generation P” 2. Venedikt Erofeev’s “Moscow to the End of the Line” (the Tjalsma translation)
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:05 PM Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In regards to dying under torture, might I inflict Roko's Basilisk upon you all?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the...
It's sort of an updated version of Pascal's Wager, where instead of going to hell for pissing off God, you go to hell for pissing off a superintelligent AI.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In this email I summarize some previous work on the species Homo sapiens and suggest future directions of study.
The first work we note is the Ph.D. thesis of Dr. Raber. (Dr. Raber: would you mind posting a copy of your thesis and/or an Amazon link to your book if it's already out?) We posit that this is a tolerably complete description of the maturational process and mating habits of the human mind. (Also, Dr. Raber, if you feel moved to share any extracts from your second book, would love to see those! It would be super relevant to some threads we're having about economics, if I understand the thrust of it correctly. (My gloss: what are the proper uses of luxury in motivating human beings to excellence and public service?))
We posit that it is possible, via affiliation economics and choice architecture and computational linguistics and digital humanities, to assemble a tolerably complete picture of the pressures that any given human being is under at any given point in time. Presumably this fact is known to various governments of the world, and has been since the height of the Cold War.
Furthermore, we posit that human beings do in fact have free will. It feels pretty obvious if you're driving one of the damn things, anyway. But, of course, biological materialism and physical determinism hold sway over the physical and biological universes. How do we reconcile these two facts? Basically, you never know for sure which way someone is going to jump, because you never have a complete copy of the inside of their mind. You can put people in arbitrarily scary and fucked-up and tempting situations, but they'll still surprise you. As Natalie Portman says in V for Vendetta, that last inch of one's will remains free. A person who is willing to die under torture can generally do whatever the fuck they want. (Ofc, dying under torture is a fairly likely outcome if you make the mistake of telling anyone this fact when they threaten you.)
Finally, as glue to make all of this cohere in a way that will make sense to the academic humanities, we offer the novels of David Foster Wallace. I put it to you that they are about free will and mind control. The cryptogram for mind control in Broom of the System is, I believe, the Devil's wooden leg. The cryptogram for mind control in Infinite Jest is annular fusion. (Think about it for a second - imagine watching a television that then floats through the air and smashes you in the back of the head - it traces out an annulus.) The cryptogram for mind control in The Pale King is the Pale King, who is a DFW self-insertion character, as are most of the characters in that book.
As further glue, we offer the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. I put it to you that it is a play about how to kill William Shakespeare with your words in a world where mind reading and mind control are widely distributed among the populace; Hamlet is Willie's self-insertion character, and all the other characters are various figments of Bill's imagination as he worked through the problem of trying to keep himself from dying or going nuts.
Would love to hear any thoughts that this email triggered from anyone who I sent it to!
-- -Eric
-- -Eric _______________________________________________ Math mailing list Math@moomers.org https://mailman.moomers.org/listinfo/math
Thanks for the recs! I started reading Generation P once and it was excellent. Need to finish it one of these days. It's probably some useful glue for this puzzle as well.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Maya Vinokour vinokour@gmail.com wrote:
Eric, by the way, if you are interested in tales of altered consciousness and media weirdness, I have two book recommendations for you (in order of likely enjoyableness):
- Victor Pelevin’s “Generation P”
- Venedikt Erofeev’s “Moscow to the End of the Line” (the Tjalsma
translation)
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:05 PM Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In regards to dying under torture, might I inflict Roko's Basilisk upon you all?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/ roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
It's sort of an updated version of Pascal's Wager, where instead of going to hell for pissing off God, you go to hell for pissing off a superintelligent AI.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In this email I summarize some previous work on the species Homo sapiens and suggest future directions of study.
The first work we note is the Ph.D. thesis of Dr. Raber. (Dr. Raber: would you mind posting a copy of your thesis and/or an Amazon link to your book if it's already out?) We posit that this is a tolerably complete description of the maturational process and mating habits of the human mind. (Also, Dr. Raber, if you feel moved to share any extracts from your second book, would love to see those! It would be super relevant to some threads we're having about economics, if I understand the thrust of it correctly. (My gloss: what are the proper uses of luxury in motivating human beings to excellence and public service?))
We posit that it is possible, via affiliation economics and choice architecture and computational linguistics and digital humanities, to assemble a tolerably complete picture of the pressures that any given human being is under at any given point in time. Presumably this fact is known to various governments of the world, and has been since the height of the Cold War.
Furthermore, we posit that human beings do in fact have free will. It feels pretty obvious if you're driving one of the damn things, anyway. But, of course, biological materialism and physical determinism hold sway over the physical and biological universes. How do we reconcile these two facts? Basically, you never know for sure which way someone is going to jump, because you never have a complete copy of the inside of their mind. You can put people in arbitrarily scary and fucked-up and tempting situations, but they'll still surprise you. As Natalie Portman says in V for Vendetta, that last inch of one's will remains free. A person who is willing to die under torture can generally do whatever the fuck they want. (Ofc, dying under torture is a fairly likely outcome if you make the mistake of telling anyone this fact when they threaten you.)
Finally, as glue to make all of this cohere in a way that will make sense to the academic humanities, we offer the novels of David Foster Wallace. I put it to you that they are about free will and mind control. The cryptogram for mind control in Broom of the System is, I believe, the Devil's wooden leg. The cryptogram for mind control in Infinite Jest is annular fusion. (Think about it for a second - imagine watching a television that then floats through the air and smashes you in the back of the head - it traces out an annulus.) The cryptogram for mind control in The Pale King is the Pale King, who is a DFW self-insertion character, as are most of the characters in that book.
As further glue, we offer the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. I put it to you that it is a play about how to kill William Shakespeare with your words in a world where mind reading and mind control are widely distributed among the populace; Hamlet is Willie's self-insertion character, and all the other characters are various figments of Bill's imagination as he worked through the problem of trying to keep himself from dying or going nuts.
Would love to hear any thoughts that this email triggered from anyone who I sent it to!
-- -Eric
-- -Eric _______________________________________________ Math mailing list Math@moomers.org https://mailman.moomers.org/listinfo/math
It is so fucking hilarious. And Erofeev is a glorious drunken genius (also his book is much shorter).
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:20 PM Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
Thanks for the recs! I started reading Generation P once and it was excellent. Need to finish it one of these days. It's probably some useful glue for this puzzle as well.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Maya Vinokour vinokour@gmail.com wrote:
Eric, by the way, if you are interested in tales of altered consciousness and media weirdness, I have two book recommendations for you (in order of likely enjoyableness):
- Victor Pelevin’s “Generation P”
- Venedikt Erofeev’s “Moscow to the End of the Line” (the Tjalsma
translation)
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:05 PM Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In regards to dying under torture, might I inflict Roko's Basilisk upon you all?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the...
It's sort of an updated version of Pascal's Wager, where instead of going to hell for pissing off God, you go to hell for pissing off a superintelligent AI.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In this email I summarize some previous work on the species Homo sapiens and suggest future directions of study.
The first work we note is the Ph.D. thesis of Dr. Raber. (Dr. Raber: would you mind posting a copy of your thesis and/or an Amazon link to your book if it's already out?) We posit that this is a tolerably complete description of the maturational process and mating habits of the human mind. (Also, Dr. Raber, if you feel moved to share any extracts from your second book, would love to see those! It would be super relevant to some threads we're having about economics, if I understand the thrust of it correctly. (My gloss: what are the proper uses of luxury in motivating human beings to excellence and public service?))
We posit that it is possible, via affiliation economics and choice architecture and computational linguistics and digital humanities, to assemble a tolerably complete picture of the pressures that any given human being is under at any given point in time. Presumably this fact is known to various governments of the world, and has been since the height of the Cold War.
Furthermore, we posit that human beings do in fact have free will. It feels pretty obvious if you're driving one of the damn things, anyway. But, of course, biological materialism and physical determinism hold sway over the physical and biological universes. How do we reconcile these two facts? Basically, you never know for sure which way someone is going to jump, because you never have a complete copy of the inside of their mind. You can put people in arbitrarily scary and fucked-up and tempting situations, but they'll still surprise you. As Natalie Portman says in V for Vendetta, that last inch of one's will remains free. A person who is willing to die under torture can generally do whatever the fuck they want. (Ofc, dying under torture is a fairly likely outcome if you make the mistake of telling anyone this fact when they threaten you.)
Finally, as glue to make all of this cohere in a way that will make sense to the academic humanities, we offer the novels of David Foster Wallace. I put it to you that they are about free will and mind control. The cryptogram for mind control in Broom of the System is, I believe, the Devil's wooden leg. The cryptogram for mind control in Infinite Jest is annular fusion. (Think about it for a second - imagine watching a television that then floats through the air and smashes you in the back of the head - it traces out an annulus.) The cryptogram for mind control in The Pale King is the Pale King, who is a DFW self-insertion character, as are most of the characters in that book.
As further glue, we offer the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. I put it to you that it is a play about how to kill William Shakespeare with your words in a world where mind reading and mind control are widely distributed among the populace; Hamlet is Willie's self-insertion character, and all the other characters are various figments of Bill's imagination as he worked through the problem of trying to keep himself from dying or going nuts.
Would love to hear any thoughts that this email triggered from anyone who I sent it to!
-- -Eric
-- -Eric _______________________________________________ Math mailing list Math@moomers.org https://mailman.moomers.org/listinfo/math
-- -Eric
Ordering now. Is this an English translation of Generation P? https://www.amazon.com/Homo-Zapiens-Victor-Pelevin/dp/0142001813/ref=sr_1_3?... They've given it a weird title, but the synopsis sounds the way I remember the book going.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Maya Vinokour vinokour@gmail.com wrote:
It is so fucking hilarious. And Erofeev is a glorious drunken genius (also his book is much shorter).
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:20 PM Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
Thanks for the recs! I started reading Generation P once and it was excellent. Need to finish it one of these days. It's probably some useful glue for this puzzle as well.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Maya Vinokour vinokour@gmail.com wrote:
Eric, by the way, if you are interested in tales of altered consciousness and media weirdness, I have two book recommendations for you (in order of likely enjoyableness):
- Victor Pelevin’s “Generation P”
- Venedikt Erofeev’s “Moscow to the End of the Line” (the Tjalsma
translation)
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:05 PM Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In regards to dying under torture, might I inflict Roko's Basilisk upon you all?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/ roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
It's sort of an updated version of Pascal's Wager, where instead of going to hell for pissing off God, you go to hell for pissing off a superintelligent AI.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In this email I summarize some previous work on the species Homo sapiens and suggest future directions of study.
The first work we note is the Ph.D. thesis of Dr. Raber. (Dr. Raber: would you mind posting a copy of your thesis and/or an Amazon link to your book if it's already out?) We posit that this is a tolerably complete description of the maturational process and mating habits of the human mind. (Also, Dr. Raber, if you feel moved to share any extracts from your second book, would love to see those! It would be super relevant to some threads we're having about economics, if I understand the thrust of it correctly. (My gloss: what are the proper uses of luxury in motivating human beings to excellence and public service?))
We posit that it is possible, via affiliation economics and choice architecture and computational linguistics and digital humanities, to assemble a tolerably complete picture of the pressures that any given human being is under at any given point in time. Presumably this fact is known to various governments of the world, and has been since the height of the Cold War.
Furthermore, we posit that human beings do in fact have free will. It feels pretty obvious if you're driving one of the damn things, anyway. But, of course, biological materialism and physical determinism hold sway over the physical and biological universes. How do we reconcile these two facts? Basically, you never know for sure which way someone is going to jump, because you never have a complete copy of the inside of their mind. You can put people in arbitrarily scary and fucked-up and tempting situations, but they'll still surprise you. As Natalie Portman says in V for Vendetta, that last inch of one's will remains free. A person who is willing to die under torture can generally do whatever the fuck they want. (Ofc, dying under torture is a fairly likely outcome if you make the mistake of telling anyone this fact when they threaten you.)
Finally, as glue to make all of this cohere in a way that will make sense to the academic humanities, we offer the novels of David Foster Wallace. I put it to you that they are about free will and mind control. The cryptogram for mind control in Broom of the System is, I believe, the Devil's wooden leg. The cryptogram for mind control in Infinite Jest is annular fusion. (Think about it for a second - imagine watching a television that then floats through the air and smashes you in the back of the head - it traces out an annulus.) The cryptogram for mind control in The Pale King is the Pale King, who is a DFW self-insertion character, as are most of the characters in that book.
As further glue, we offer the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. I put it to you that it is a play about how to kill William Shakespeare with your words in a world where mind reading and mind control are widely distributed among the populace; Hamlet is Willie's self-insertion character, and all the other characters are various figments of Bill's imagination as he worked through the problem of trying to keep himself from dying or going nuts.
Would love to hear any thoughts that this email triggered from anyone who I sent it to!
-- -Eric
-- -Eric _______________________________________________ Math mailing list Math@moomers.org https://mailman.moomers.org/listinfo/math
-- -Eric
Yup, that’s the one.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:49 PM Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
Ordering now. Is this an English translation of Generation P? https://www.amazon.com/Homo-Zapiens-Victor-Pelevin/dp/0142001813/ref=sr_1_3?... They've given it a weird title, but the synopsis sounds the way I remember the book going.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Maya Vinokour vinokour@gmail.com wrote:
It is so fucking hilarious. And Erofeev is a glorious drunken genius (also his book is much shorter).
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:20 PM Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
Thanks for the recs! I started reading Generation P once and it was excellent. Need to finish it one of these days. It's probably some useful glue for this puzzle as well.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Maya Vinokour vinokour@gmail.com wrote:
Eric, by the way, if you are interested in tales of altered consciousness and media weirdness, I have two book recommendations for you (in order of likely enjoyableness):
- Victor Pelevin’s “Generation P”
- Venedikt Erofeev’s “Moscow to the End of the Line” (the Tjalsma
translation)
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:05 PM Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In regards to dying under torture, might I inflict Roko's Basilisk upon you all?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the...
It's sort of an updated version of Pascal's Wager, where instead of going to hell for pissing off God, you go to hell for pissing off a superintelligent AI.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Eric Purdy epurdy@uchicago.edu wrote:
In this email I summarize some previous work on the species Homo sapiens and suggest future directions of study.
The first work we note is the Ph.D. thesis of Dr. Raber. (Dr. Raber: would you mind posting a copy of your thesis and/or an Amazon link to your book if it's already out?) We posit that this is a tolerably complete description of the maturational process and mating habits of the human mind. (Also, Dr. Raber, if you feel moved to share any extracts from your second book, would love to see those! It would be super relevant to some threads we're having about economics, if I understand the thrust of it correctly. (My gloss: what are the proper uses of luxury in motivating human beings to excellence and public service?))
We posit that it is possible, via affiliation economics and choice architecture and computational linguistics and digital humanities, to assemble a tolerably complete picture of the pressures that any given human being is under at any given point in time. Presumably this fact is known to various governments of the world, and has been since the height of the Cold War.
Furthermore, we posit that human beings do in fact have free will. It feels pretty obvious if you're driving one of the damn things, anyway. But, of course, biological materialism and physical determinism hold sway over the physical and biological universes. How do we reconcile these two facts? Basically, you never know for sure which way someone is going to jump, because you never have a complete copy of the inside of their mind. You can put people in arbitrarily scary and fucked-up and tempting situations, but they'll still surprise you. As Natalie Portman says in V for Vendetta, that last inch of one's will remains free. A person who is willing to die under torture can generally do whatever the fuck they want. (Ofc, dying under torture is a fairly likely outcome if you make the mistake of telling anyone this fact when they threaten you.)
Finally, as glue to make all of this cohere in a way that will make sense to the academic humanities, we offer the novels of David Foster Wallace. I put it to you that they are about free will and mind control. The cryptogram for mind control in Broom of the System is, I believe, the Devil's wooden leg. The cryptogram for mind control in Infinite Jest is annular fusion. (Think about it for a second - imagine watching a television that then floats through the air and smashes you in the back of the head - it traces out an annulus.) The cryptogram for mind control in The Pale King is the Pale King, who is a DFW self-insertion character, as are most of the characters in that book.
As further glue, we offer the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. I put it to you that it is a play about how to kill William Shakespeare with your words in a world where mind reading and mind control are widely distributed among the populace; Hamlet is Willie's self-insertion character, and all the other characters are various figments of Bill's imagination as he worked through the problem of trying to keep himself from dying or going nuts.
Would love to hear any thoughts that this email triggered from anyone who I sent it to!
-- -Eric
-- -Eric _______________________________________________ Math mailing list Math@moomers.org https://mailman.moomers.org/listinfo/math
-- -Eric
-- -Eric
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