[chrysalis.activism] Book Group: Me and White Supremacy

David Ginsburg dav9dg at gmail.com
Mon Aug 24 12:02:54 CDT 2020


Sounds good to me too 👍✨

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 8:56 AM Christopher Lin <powertothepenguins at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sounds good to me! Thanks for the forethought and the role recording.
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:48 PM Anna McFall <annasmcfall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe for this Wednesday, if we meet, we can agree to finish both day 6
>> and day 7 (week 1 review)? That will speed us up slightly but not add much
>> extra work.
>>
>> 8/19 roles for the record:
>> Anna - Facilitator
>> David - Present
>> Stacey - Guardian
>> Topher - Note-taking
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:13 PM David Ginsburg <dav9dg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 7/1:
>>> Anna - Guardian
>>> David - Note-taker
>>> Stacey - absent
>>> Topher - Facilitator
>>>
>>> WHITE FRAGILITY - Notes
>>> - overlaps with white exceptionalism ("I'm a good white person")
>>> - from last time: people tend to focus on the individual but we're being
>>> asked to look at the system we live in and our role in that
>>> - people get defensive because they want to be a good person
>>> - what does white fragility mean to BIPOC? white fragility makes a white
>>> person an unreliable ally
>>>    - On tactical basis (not just not the right thing): e.g. can't rely
>>> on them, have to be wary of what it means emotionally to engage with them
>>> - part of self dismissing existence of being complicit in systemic
>>> oppression ("maybe we don't know the context [for a given situation]")
>>> - what to do when there is an individual who is toxic?
>>> - parallel to "believe the victim" -> just believe the BIPOC
>>> - "white people" as shorthand for "the group of people who benefit from
>>> white privilege"
>>> - fear of BIPOC because of possibility of fucking up an interaction
>>> - moderating discussions of racism in a classroom was easier than
>>> figuring out racism and antiracism in your own social life: the "classroom
>>> discussion" is a known genre of discussion and involves challenging
>>> students to confront it but not yourself doing it on a personal level
>>>   - teacher knows it's their responsibility to play a certain role in
>>> that context (define your own roles vs having the roles set up for you)
>>> - "white people": frustrated to be lumped in a group, but it also exists!
>>> - legitimately proud of being a white person by using my whiteness (e.g.
>>> white privilege, etc.) for good
>>>   - proud of using this power effectively
>>> - Dissociate identity to feel less attacked on a personal level
>>>   - I am a white person vs I have whiteness
>>>   - I have whiteness
>>>   - I have whiteness: covers white passing (about how people perceive
>>> you; it's not personal)
>>>
>>> How to become more resilient:
>>> - Accountability: how to address avoidance?
>>>   - celebrate wins (e.g. share stories when we were able to have
>>> mindfulness around defensiveness)
>>> - Noticing/mindfulness: when feeling a feeling with another person,
>>> notice having the feeling and deciding what to do with it
>>>   - would like to notice feeling of defensiveness and decide to calm
>>> myself, not act, stop & listen, maybe ask questions, don't jump into
>>> defensiveness
>>>   - positive reenforcement: celebrate whenever you can do this in small
>>> ways
>>> - "Don't be sorry, be better"
>>>   - be proactive, carve out time to do the right thing
>>> - What to do about performative allyship? Antidote: *listening* without
>>> needing to signal wokeness, and *amplify* others
>>>   - seek out more opportunities to *listen*
>>> - witnessing/listening/observing regular things (e.g. art, music, joy,
>>> beauty) from BIPOC sources
>>> - Be curious! Antidote to nervousness and social anxiety
>>> - Creating safe space for risky challenges? Risky challenges are not
>>> safe, but having a circle to process emotions in a safe space can support
>>> you taking risks
>>> - Process your emotions! Cry, etc. But don't do it in the moment in a
>>> burdensome way for BIPOC.
>>> - Show up as an adult and not a child trying to please (performative
>>> allyship is childish)
>>> - Personal development is your own time and space. White fragility has
>>> impact on BIPOC, so yes you should process your emotions
>>> - How to use privilege for good? Economic: redirect money to black-owned
>>> businesses
>>> - We feel tendencies to step away and not look at this, so what's the
>>> motivation? What are the benefits for us of addressing our white fragility?
>>>   - Helps us be more free
>>>     - Fragility: largely about avoidance and fear. So addressing it
>>> helps us be more free!
>>>   - Feel a sense of alienation from BIPOC, so addressing our fragility
>>> fosters more authentic connection
>>>   - Want to feel good (source of fragility is not wanting to feel bad),
>>> so we are defensive, but that feels worse!
>>> - How can we detach and make it not personal?
>>>   - Remember that it's about the other person. Curiosity and refocusing
>>> on how the other person is feeling.
>>>   - Refocus on the actual problem.
>>>   - Say "this is not about me"
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:57 PM Anna McFall <annasmcfall at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 6/24:
>>>> Anna - Note-taker
>>>> David - Facilitator
>>>> Stacey - absent
>>>> Topher - Guardian
>>>>
>>>> WHITE PRIVILEGE - Notes
>>>> - Perfectionism as an attribute of white supremacy, patriarchy,
>>>> capitalism
>>>> --> being "called out" hurts more in this framework, and isn't as
>>>> productive
>>>> - "I can ignore racial injustice and care for my intimate group of
>>>> friends, and it's not incongruent."
>>>> --> Don't have to fight big systems if not Black or brown, if focused
>>>> on just taking care of loved ones.
>>>> --> Same set of concerns means something completely different about how
>>>> you have to engage with systemic issues.
>>>> - "There's a way you can be authoritative and take care of business
>>>> without being a fucking asshole!"
>>>> - Our deep learning models show us our own biases
>>>> - AND SO MUCH MORE!
>>>>
>>>> <333
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 9:05 PM Anna McFall <annasmcfall at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Next time (6/24):
>>>>>
>>>>> To do:
>>>>> *Day 1 - Reading + journal reflections
>>>>> *Read appendix section on Circle Way process (if desired)
>>>>> *Review the two PDFs Saad mentions from the Resources section of
>>>>> thecircleway.net.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna or David (if present) - Facilitator
>>>>> David
>>>>> Stacey (if present) - Note-taker (takeaways at the end, any questions
>>>>> or themes (opt-in notes))
>>>>> Topher - Guardian
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:40 PM Anna McFall <annasmcfall at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all!  I have a bunch of composition and tiny spiral-bound
>>>>>> notebooks if you need a journal.  I'll bring them tonight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:37 AM Anna McFall <annasmcfall at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just mean all of Part 1, though we could do Day 1 also, to
>>>>>>> initiate the structure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 9:40 AM Christopher Lin <
>>>>>>> powertothepenguins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Anna!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 30 pages works for me. Just to be clear, because page numbers are
>>>>>>>> always wonky for me with ebooks, does that mean all of Part I and some of
>>>>>>>> Part II, Week 1?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:37 AM Anna McFall <annasmcfall at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've decided to hold up to an hour of book group work after a
>>>>>>>>> dinner break following our Wednesday evening activism committee meetings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We will be starting with *Layla Saad's Me and White Supremacy*, a
>>>>>>>>> full-length book of guided reflection based on Saad's original 2018
>>>>>>>>> workbook, which grew out of an instagram challenge she created for white
>>>>>>>>> folks to reflect on their experiences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm working on ordering a hard copy of the book for the house; in
>>>>>>>>> the mean time, I've attached an epub, and you can shoot her some dollars at
>>>>>>>>> her PayPal below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Layla Saad's Paypal <https://www.paypal.me/laylasaad>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems fitting to *read the first part--about 30 pages--before
>>>>>>>>> our first meeting*.  Does that work?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In our first meeting, we can take a look at the structure and
>>>>>>>>> decide how many "days" we want to do per week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <333 Looking forward to this!
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